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Vishua · May 02, 2007, 03:24 AM // 03:24

I've been playing GW for awhile now (almost a year), and have become more and more into pvp. I've gotten to the point that i want to play on a competitive, somewhat serious gvg team. Problem is, most people i find recruiting in the HA area want R3 people/people with certain amount of balth faction.

I have 3 fame and 58k balth faction as of now, both of which will see a rapid climb. Well, my problem is that in order to get picked up by somewhat serious guilds i need more fame and faction. But, pugging HA isnt the best idea...i meanm i've been in incredible groups, but those are far and few inbetween.

So im looking for advice, what do i do? Some basic info:
-I only own Nightfall and Factions (may buy Proph soon)
-I have a crapload of Assassin-Ranger-Necromancer skills unlocked.
-Im currently in a guild...that has no idea what its doing in gvg. i start tossing around terms like "meta game" and "body blocking" and people start to think im crazy...

Im lost and looking for direction =/

InfernalSuffering · May 02, 2007, 03:28 AM // 03:28

RA...thats probably the only suggestion I have for you seeing as you only have 3 fame and 58k balth faction. Unless you have 90% of the skills unlocked then you wont find a competitive gvg guild and even then it will be hard without the prophecies skills. RA gives you factions fast, requires no grouping time, and helps you build up personal skill. Fame doesnt necessarily matter to some guilds, they might say they require r3 but if they let you have a tryout, are good enough, and have all they skills they need they will usually take you.

Vishua · May 02, 2007, 03:37 AM // 03:37

thanks alot ^^

red orc · May 02, 2007, 06:25 AM // 06:25

What do you want to do ?
If you're looking for fame and HA pvp, go and start your own pug. This way ppl will not ask you for fame.
If you're looking for gvg, go to RA and start working on your gladiator title. While doing so, you will find many starting guilds looking for ppl and can join one. Anyway if you've got 58k frac, you cannot have "loads of skills unlocked". As you go along your glad, continue to unlock skills.

Bankai · May 02, 2007, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by InfernalSuffering

RA...thats probably the only suggestion I have for you seeing as you only have 3 fame and 58k balth faction. Unless you have 90% of the skills unlocked then you wont find a competitive gvg guild and even then it will be hard without the prophecies skills. RA gives you factions fast, requires no grouping time, and helps you build up personal skill. Fame doesnt necessarily matter to some guilds, they might say they require r3 but if they let you have a tryout, are good enough, and have all they skills they need they will usually take you.

I disagree.

The only profession I am even close to UAX is monk, and I'm still missing about 15 skills. And I'm doing perfectly fine in GvG. Just make sure you can play most viable builds, and have a stock of at least 6k before you start to unlock useless stuff.

Use #gwpickup. It's a good start.

InfernalSuffering · May 02, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

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Originally Posted by Bankai

I disagree.

The only profession I am even close to UAX is monk, and I'm still missing about 15 skills. And I'm doing perfectly fine in GvG. Just make sure you can play most viable builds, and have a stock of at least 6k before you start to unlock useless stuff.

Use #gwpickup. It's a good start.

There is a difference between (I'm assuming you have all three campaigns) being only 15 skills away from UAX on monk and him having unlocked 58k worth of skills. Thats not even close to UAX just on one class. I'm again assumming that the original poster hasnt unlocked most of the skills from pve. When I started GvGing I had probably like 600k balth faction which for the level I was looking for was kind of on the low side but as Bankai said was long was you have about 9k or so just sitting there they wont be able to tell the difference between you and a person who is UAX theoretically.

Bankai · May 02, 2007, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Also, I forgot to say that you really need all 3 campaigns to play GvG.

Effigy · May 02, 2007, 12:58 PM // 12:58

I also recommend playing RA for the time being until you can find a guild. The faction is pretty good and the glad title is sometimes used as a substitute for rank for recruiting purposes.

However, my best advice is to do some guildhopping if you can't find a decent one right away that will let you in. If your current guild isn't truly awful (as in, losing more than half of their GvGs) then you may want to just stick with them for a little bit. The most important thing is to GvG a lot, since it provides a lot of faction as well as valuable experience. There are generally a lot of GvG guilds recruiting; look for one that plays a lot and try to join. If they don't let you in, oh well, try another.

You just have to understand that most guilds aren't that great at GvG and the likelihood of getting on a pro team with no rank and 58k faction is pretty low. You take what you can get and use the experience/faction to work your way up.

Byron · May 02, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Here's how I went about my pvp beginnings, over a year ago:

Played different waru builds in RA. I got these waru builds from observing top-ranked guilds (ie, Valandor and WM). Continued to gain faction while getting better at the game, an also unlocking skills.

After some weeks, began to pug HA with both monk and waru. That's back when warriors were used in HA though. Monking will make you better at the game, and if you can prove that you aren't a scrub, then you'll likely make friends quick. Solves the problems of getting into groups.

With rank comes better groups comes the possibility of a team who knows what they're doing. HA is pretty exciting for a new pvper. And RA isn't a great judge of skill.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Effigy

You take what you can get and use the experience/faction to work your way up.

QFT

v for Valkier · May 03, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

If your main focus is getting into GvG, getting all three campaigns is the best way to start off. Start unlocking skills through RA, or if you have some friends you know, play TA. mIRC (channel #gwp) is a good way to get to know people if you dont know many people in the game. Once you have a decent amount of skills unlocked, attempt to pug through #gwp or #gwpickup. In the process, observe top games obviously, watching people who play the position you look to advance in.

http://www.teamquitter.com and http://www.team-iq.net are great forums to find recruiting guilds.

dirtydutch · May 03, 2007, 06:55 AM // 06:55

Yea dude i know its hard. Butt i see you dont have a option @ all. If you really want to be good @ pvp you need to pug make friends and play with those friends.

I know its a bitch when your a low ranked cus nobody wants you. If i need somebody i always invite a friend out off my friendslist. Im not bothered getting a pug cus some ppl off my guild dont like that because we dont know the guy @ all.

Belief me rank doesnt matter that much its only your unknown and they dont know if you suck or if you are a pro player.

I really advice you to check those links what "v for Valkier " posted.

I wish you gl with this mate

Div · May 03, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by Bankai

I disagree.

The only profession I am even close to UAX is monk, and I'm still missing about 15 skills. And I'm doing perfectly fine in GvG. Just make sure you can play most viable builds, and have a stock of at least 6k before you start to unlock useless stuff.

Use #gwpickup. It's a good start.

Actually monk is probably the best way to go if you don't have prophecies. Only real needed skills from prophecies are SoD and RC, so that means you can play everything else :P

Bankai · May 03, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Yeah, it is.

Note that I hardly ever play monk, because we have 4 monks in our guild.

deadmonkey4u · May 03, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Vishua

3 fame and 58k balth faction
But, pugging HA isnt the best idea...i meanm i've been in incredible groups, but those are far and few inbetween.

-I only own Nightfall and Factions (may buy Proph soon)
-Im currently in a guild...that has no idea what its doing in gvg. i start tossing around terms like "meta game" and "body blocking" and people start to think im crazy...

Im lost and looking for direction =/

In all reality if the group is incredible you should have alot more then 3 fame. Pugging HA unranked is a pretty bad idea (iv been their b4 when I started)

If your serious about pvp you should be able to find a group of friends with similiar interests and develop.

Buying Prophecies would be a good idea especially if your gunna gvg.

Getting a glad title or something in RA might be a good idea as it can substitute for other stuff.

Ideally id say you should look for a lower end guild and build up; however, try to find a lower end PvP guild thats looking to become better. Then once you'v gotten some experience (faction and maybe fame) you can either continue to build up with that guild or if your unsatisfied jump to a different one which will be easier now that you have reasonable experience, faction, and maybe fame/glad points.

Hope this helps.

Vishua · May 06, 2007, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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Originally Posted by deadmonkey4u

In all reality if the group is incredible you should have alot more then 3 fame. Pugging HA unranked is a pretty bad idea (iv been their b4 when I started)

If your serious about pvp you should be able to find a group of friends with similiar interests and develop.

Buying Prophecies would be a good idea especially if your gunna gvg.

Getting a glad title or something in RA might be a good idea as it can substitute for other stuff.

Ideally id say you should look for a lower end guild and build up; however, try to find a lower end PvP guild thats looking to become better. Then once you'v gotten some experience (faction and maybe fame) you can either continue to build up with that guild or if your unsatisfied jump to a different one which will be easier now that you have reasonable experience, faction, and maybe fame/glad points.

Hope this helps.

The HA group i was reffering to really was incredible, but disconnection issues plagued at least 3 members on our team. Horrid luck.

When it comes to finding people who also like to pvp, i have no problem with that at all. I have found a few =P

Im getting proph soon, probally tomorrow

Also, im currently working on the RA thingy, and im working on getting more faction. When i mentioned i had "a load of skills unlocked", i ment on my sin and ranger through story mode. the 58k (now 73K), was in addition

Thanks for all the help and responses guys

Blame the Monks · May 06, 2007, 06:45 PM // 18:45

IMO, join XoO. XoO is probably the most competitive guild you will find that won't screen you out based on a lack of titles or prior experience. You should get a chance to play in XoO right a way and if you show a desire to learn and improve, you should get all the experience you could ask for. And unlike many middle/low ranked guilds, XoO always runs balanced, which is the best way to learn. XoO has excellent forums to learn from as well, as well as pretty experienced vets to help answer questions.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:Xen_Of_Onslaught

If you decide XoO isn't for you, I suggest trying to earn at least gladiator 2 or top 300 on the HvH ladder. Both are reasonably impressive and should help you get a tryout even if you don't have other background.

GL with it. Breaking into GvG can be really tough -- especially finding a team that will help you get better and who wants to win.

Vishua · May 06, 2007, 09:27 PM // 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

IMO, join XoO. XoO is probably the most competitive guild you will find that won't screen you out based on a lack of titles or prior experience. You should get a chance to play in XoO right a way and if you show a desire to learn and improve, you should get all the experience you could ask for. And unlike many middle/low ranked guilds, XoO always runs balanced, which is the best way to learn. XoO has excellent forums to learn from as well, as well as pretty experienced vets to help answer questions.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild:Xen_Of_Onslaught

If you decide XoO isn't for you, I suggest trying to earn at least gladiator 2 or top 300 on the HvH ladder. Both are reasonably impressive and should help you get a tryout even if you don't have other background.

GL with it. Breaking into GvG can be really tough -- especially finding a team that will help you get better and who wants to win.

I've checked you guys out at your site and...the guild seems perfect =P

minus one thing: 6) As of June 2006 all new applicants for Guild Wars are required to have at least one character through the Prophecies campaign, a copy of Factions, and a working microphone .

The wording is a bit weird, so i'll ask: Does this mean i need to have CLEARED Proph?? I havent even bought it yet, and when i do but it, it'll only be so i can unlock skills for pvp. That, and currently my mic is screwy. I can hear people but they cant hear me (buying a new one soon).
Other than that, i meet all other specifications.

Thomas.knbk · May 07, 2007, 04:07 PM // 16:07

A headset is like 15 dollars, but you do need it if you want to GvG at a reasonable level.

Llint · May 07, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

A headset is like 15 dollars, but you do need it if you want to GvG at a reasonable level.

Some people play without a mic, yeah sure you shouldn't but... I know a guild that has a mute in it ;o.

red orc · May 08, 2007, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Mic is critical for GVG.
Also if you can not talk (and I've been there, some vent servers dont work for me) you feel detached from the group and not quite a part of it. You can play a runner maybe, but you will never feel at home with your guild, and you will soon leave.